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  JW Expressions We Hate

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  i was browsing through stuff on jw.org recently and ran across some expressions that really grate on my nerves: loyal love, loving-care, and loving-kindness, as in: "please exercise loving-kindness toward your servant.

  " who talks like that?

  they must be relics of the fred franz era.

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  new boy

  Jehovah has "blessed" me with material abundance!

  How has Jehovah "blessed" you?
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  The GB know it's all lies and wants to dismantle the WTS ... then what?

  by Simon in

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  so imagine the gb have a sudden attack of honesty and realize "crap, this whole thing is lies - we're not god's spokespeople at all !".

  how do you dismantle a religion that has +8 million members in a responsible way?

  you can't just publish a watchtower saying "we were wrong" because that would be irresponsible - you need to let people down gently, put people off gradually.

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  Not one person, or a group of people, or even a hundred people at the top can stop it.

  Follow the money. They only thing that could even slow it down is the complete lack of it.

  With billion coming their way with the sell off of Brooklyn that not going to happen anytime soon.

  Look at the catholic faith. If the leaders all denounced the faith they might lose a million or two but it would just keep going.

  People just don't want to believe that something they have invested 30, 40 or even 50 years of their lives in could possibly be wrong.

  There only thing that could stop it and all religions!

  If little green aliens came down and told us the true history of this planet and that all religions are bull shit. Then religion would start it's SLOW (taking hundreds of years) descent in to nonexistence.
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  When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

  by new boy in

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  this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

  yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

  besides we were never going to die anyway.

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  new boy

  Jeff who studied with James before he went to Bethel, told me that James got no grave stone or maker,

  They said that Jah would remember him and that's all that matters.
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  When you Go to Bethel, You Sign Over Your Dead Body.

  by new boy in

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  this is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.. when i went to bethel i and everyone else, signed a form stating that "if we died while at bethel the wathtower bible and tract society,had the right to keep our body.".

  yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that.

  besides we were never going to die anyway.

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  new boy

  This is in response to the thread about the supposed suicide of a bethelite in 1995.

  When I went to Bethel I and everyone else, signed a form stating that "If we died while at Bethel the Wathtower Bible and Tract Society,had the RIGHT to keep our body."

  Yes, we thought it strange at the time but as a twenty years old you didn't think much about stuff like that. Besides we were never going to die anyway. 1975 was coming.

  I know of two brothers who killed themselfs while at Bethel and two others who tried end their lives. My guess is people have been killing themselfs at Bethel long before I ever got there.

  James Olsen killed himself in 1973. They kept his body and it's buried someplace in upstate New York.

  So why would the society be so interested in our dead bodies?

  Do they want to deal with the extra expense to bury the bodies? No, doesn't sound like them.

  Do they want to grind the bodies up and use them for fertilizer. No

  But really why?

  My guess is legal issues. If someone could prove wrongful death. There could be a lawsuit. We all know how much they like them.

  Now, the "form" signing your body over makes perfect sense.

  The good Doctor there would sign the death certificate. He state the cause of death and the body is kept.

  Other wise why have such a form?

  Your thoughts?
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  New Light on the Sodomites?

  by new boy in

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  the men of sodom will be resurrected.[7/1879,p8].

  the men of sodom will not be resurrected.

  the men of sodom will be resurrected.

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  That new light is strange stuff!

  I'm just glad they are never WRONG or otherwise you might think they are just making this shit up as they are going a long. You know something men in power like to do.
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  JW's Funerals, Forget About The Person! Let's Preach.

  by new boy in

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  god forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral.

  so what do most people get after living 70-80 years?.

  a 5-10 minutes eulogy.

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  God forbid you would talk about the dead person at his funeral

  So what do most people get after living 70-80 years?

  A 5-10 minutes eulogy. Then the transition statment is "Let me tell you about what Fred REALLY believed in."

  The start off in Genesis and end up in Revelation. 45 minutes later your walking away thinking. That's they have to say about poor old Fred's life.

  The good new is the speaker gets to can count his time.

  As we all know people in the organization are unimportant living or DEAD.
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  "If I wasn't born a JW, I would never have become one."

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  i've seen it mentioned by a few on the forum that at some point there was a realization that had they not been born a jw, they never would've converted no matter how many times the jws tried to study with them.

  this was my experience too, and i'm wondering how universal it is for those that were born-in but eventually left.

  i think i started having this thought (more specifically that if i were not born a jw, i would surely have become an atheist by now) in my late teens.

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  It's true!

  Nothing makes more JWS than JWs having sex with other JWS! Now take it one step further.

  I guessing that 2/3 of all JWs "born" stay in (put in whatever percentage you like) , So if you are born in you have over a 60% of surviving gods day of wrath.

  However since there are 7. 4 million JWs and 7.4 billion worldly people what are your odds?..

  So if you were not "born in" you have only 1 in a 1000 change of making it! So why did he give you a better chance of avoiding his rage than the worldly guy?
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  How do I handle this situation?

  by BarelyThere in

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  hey everyone.

  i'm sorry that this isn't a very thought provoking post but i could really use some advice on how to handle this.

  there isn't anyone else in my life i can ask right now because, being dfed, all of my friends are "worldly" and don't know how witnesses function.

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  Easy, copy and paste this conversation and send it to everyone you know, all your family and friends. Tell them that this is why you left the organization in the first place. That it wasn't the bad marriage or sex with someone else. It was the general lack of love. That you know in your heart that if you do come back you will never be treated the same, which is true and these comments proves it.

  You're screwed if you go back and yes

  You're screed if you leave.....the only difference between the two after you leave it does get better after awhile. However if you go back it will only get worse as time goes by.
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  My After Bethel Experience Part 3

  by new boy in

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  we started attending the wakefield r.i. kh after the marriage.

  at the first meeting i went to, "buddy" weber came up to greet me.

  he had left a very good job in seattle.

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  new boy

  TMS would love to here it. I Liked Mike Weber. He ended up working for me in Trim Line for a few years.
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  My After Bethel Experience Part 3

  by new boy in

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  we started attending the wakefield r.i. kh after the marriage.

  at the first meeting i went to, "buddy" weber came up to greet me.

  he had left a very good job in seattle.

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  • We started attending the Wakefield R.I. KH after the marriage. At the first meeting I went to, "Buddy" Weber came up to greet me. He had left a very good job in Seattle. He had his own radio talk show making big money. He was now a janitor, living were the need was greatest in the USA. At the time R.I had the worst publisher to normal people ratio in the country 1 to 1600. I'm just standing there listening to him as he is giving me the "What he has done for Jehovah story." What his "spiritual credentials" are and how wonderful his kids are, were they were pioneering, how he had given up a good job so he could serve the Lord by cleaning windows in Rhode Island, because the end was coming soon in 1975, just a few months away Blah Blah.......Blah
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  • It reminded me, so much how the JWs love to martyr themselves and how much they say "We are all equal." On the other hand, they love positions, that deep down inside they believe that some are really better than others and that they are working their way into the "New System." When I first got to Bethel I loved it too. Than after a while I hated being introduced as "This is brother Casarona he is a Bethelite." After a while that meant nothing to me. I wasn't more or less spiritual than anyone else.......So I'm listening to "Buddy" tell me how wonderful he and his family are, except his son Mike Weber his son, he wasn't pioneering at the time, Thus he was a piece of shit, even though he didn't say it like that, I got the drift............So Buddy asked me if I was visiting the hall. I said "No that we moving in". He said......."Well you have moved to the wrong place because they really don't need any 'help' here." I thought I'm not here to "Help" anyone. I just wanted some place to hide and lick my wounds.

  We had rented a small 800 sq. ft. upstairs apartment of this huge old New England house in Narragansett, for 90 bucks a month, it use to be the servant quarters but there hadn't been any servants in there since the great stock market crash of the 1920's.

  After 4 weeks of the honeymooning and rest. The money was almost gone......So it was time to get a job. Before Bethel all I ever did was work in fast food restaurants, at minimum wage. I had no job skills. I did have a letter from Bethel stating that I could work a 1920's freight elevator and operate a letter head press (which no one was using anymore). Two job skills that are of no value in the real world. I had done some "G" jobbing, as a house painter at Bethel. So I went Door to Door looking for odd painting jobs. The first day out I got some painting work, thus "Pioneer Painting Company" was started. My card said at the bottom "Licensed, Bonded and Insured"............I wasn't any of those things......I did drink "Bonded whiskey, I did have a driver’s license and car insurance, but that was it. It should have been called "Wing and A Prayer Painting Company"

  That summer in 1974 we went to the District Convention. There we got the "New Light" that we NOW could have "limited contact" with disfollowshipped persons. So Debbie who hadn't seen her real father in about 10 years, thought now might be a good time for a road trip to California, to see her him. Since I was going to be the best man in Roy Baty's wedding in Kansas, we thought we could kill two birds with one stone. So in September we left in my 1966 ford Econoline van, for what would be an 8,000 mile road trip with a 150 dollars and a gas credit card.

  Our first stop was Bethel, we picked up Roy. He had "made his time" and like me was waiting a whole week to get married. We drove to Kansas in 2 days. The week before the wedding all hell broke loose, there was one BIG problem! Roy wanted to have beer at his wedding. No one could remember anyone ever having any alcoholic beverages at a "JW" wedding in the Salina Kansas before. This turned into a huge problem with half the congregation saying they were NOT going to attend. The main guy against it was John Norman from Abilene. Roy asked me what to do. I said "Screw them Roy, they made you wait 4 years for this girl, you deserve a beer and besides, didn't Jesus drink and make wine at a wedding? You know Jesus our LEADER?"..........Well I guess someone always has to be the first one.......to do anything...... right? If they only knew how much booze the boys back in the headquarters drank, including their leaders, they would shit a brick!

  This was the same congregation, Roy and I pioneered in for 2 years, before we went to Bethel. We are talking tight asses. We had one congregation gathering in 2 years. It was a picnic after working all day remodeling the Kingdom Hall. Roy and I stood around eating corn on the cob with all the old ladies, it looked like a Quaker meeting. A week later our CO Merle Freeman (he looked and talked like Elmer Fudd). Got up at the service meeting and read a letter from the "Society" that warned us of the dangers of "organized gatherings”, a place where there could be over drinking and immorality. It seems the brothers in Southern California would rent out a whole roller ring once a month for their kids. Some of them would be drinking and screwing in the parking lot. The Society got wind of it and thus the letter. So "Elmer" is reading this letter to us. After the letter he said. "So we won't be doing any more of those!" meaning like the panic the week before.....with all that corn on the cob. We were getting the cob again all right.

  Well, Roy got 5 cases of Coors beer. It was a Great wedding and yes most of the tight asses did show up including John Norman. He enjoyed the beer along with everyone else!

  They just wanted to make a pretense of being righteous.

  The brothers don't you just love them?